15
Nov
09

A Visit to Christiania

by two Tasmanian National-Anarchists.

Christiania is a famous secessionist enclave not far from the centre of Copenhagen. Given that it’s an abandoned military base, we were half expecting it to be all underground (visions of hippies living like mice in bunkers!), but it was actually an overground barracks, and quite a big one at that. It even had parks and walking tracks.

These more obscure parts of Christiania seemed a lot friendlier than the main square. Some houses had their own gardens, and there was a stable with horses. We also had a good vegan meal at a place called Morgenstedet, which we can recommend.

The main business area felt like a cross between a viking village and a funhouse, although it would have been a lot more pleasant if not for all the pot dealers loitering around, with cold faces and shifty expressions. But hard drugs are banned there – unlike Australia’s own famous ‘alternative living’ experiment, Nimbin, NSW, where heroin is now a major problem.

While Christianians are very selective about who they let live in their town, anyone is technically welcome to visit. Unfortunately, many come just to piss-splash the walls with ugly graffiti, of the same kind found in any other Western city. Some artwork was more creative, but while many cultures were represented (American Indian, Tibetan etc.), the only Danish image seemed to be a sign in runes, spelling the name of the settlement.

Christianian culture is obviously very pot-centred. You can smell marijuana wherever you go, which is probably the reason for all the signs saying “no photos”. We respected their wishes, however, and only photographed the exit:

christiania

It’s unclear what kind of defence the residents would mount if the EU actually did restrict their lifestyle. Their attempts at self-sufficiency seemed mainly token, with shops using Danish currency rather than a bartering system. The commune did possess its own garbage truck, however.

All in all, Christiania had both positive and negative elements. It’s an interesting social experiment, but certainly not the last word in independent community living.

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19 Responses to “A Visit to Christiania”


  1. November 18, 2009 at 4:49 am

    Hmmm, well an urban commune would be very different from a rural one. Did you ask anyone about the Danish currency system?

    Though Christiania is world-renowned, having lived in a communal setting, I know that many outsiders have all sorts of expectations about these places. It’s very hypocritical to me. Most of these expectations cannot be easily achieved by a handful of people. I have talked to visitors who expected to find our run-down house of five people a teeming anarchist colony. They expected to find some kind of “movement” of people there, when in reality it is very isolated and most people who come through are just ‘visiting’ anyway.

  2. November 18, 2009 at 6:48 am

    We tried to remain open minded. Having little in common with most of the people there, we do nevertheless support their goal of setting their own laws and standards.

    Unfortunately many are chronic marijuana users, and marijuana is well known for producing extreme apathy in those who smoke it. For that reason, I doubt Christiania will survive too far into the future, especially not if the EU decides to stamp down.

  3. November 19, 2009 at 12:04 am

    I think they have already started to stamp down, yes? It’s unfortunate that a commune like Christiania would soon just become synonymous with pot smoking, as if it were like an Amsterdam. People who want to live their lives free chose instead to just smoke pot all day? Very unfortunate

  4. November 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Well, remove all the pot smoking and we have an example of how the future n-a communities might be.

  5. 5 skinisirrelevant
    January 12, 2011 at 5:40 am

    why do you refer to yourselves as national anarchists?
    the term is an oxymoron.
    furthermore, it’s regarded as a trogan horse for fascism, sexism, homophobia, racism etc. for example, darrin hodgers regards himself as a national anarchist and spouts a variety of his phobias on scumfront aka stormfront and in public.
    fortunately, anarchists across globes are opposed to national anarchism for the above reasons.

    • 6 tasna
      January 12, 2011 at 7:52 am

      I have no idea who Darrin Hodgers is and we (Tasna) have no connection to Stormfront.

      What individual N-As do is their own business, just as Anarchists may or may not support the actions and words of other Anarchists, so it is true for N-A. From my experience of friendships with many N-As I have never once seen any of them spouting hatred or fear about other cultures, I have also never heard any reference to this Darren so I don’t think he is involved in N-A at all.

      If you look at our website you’ll find that there is nothing to do with fascism, sexism, homophobia and racism. Please read the manifesto at national-anarchist.net if you would like to have an idea of what we believe. It’s ridiculous to think that what is so natural (tribal societies) is seen as a trojan horse by some people! Why would we bother!?

      “anarchists across globes are opposed to national anarchism for the above reasons.”
      -for it being “regarded” as something? Sounds like a gullible bunch of Anarchists to me! I suggest they actually read our material, they’ll see that we are simply for the self-determination of ALL people, if you support the rights of Indigenous Australians to segregate and live traditionally, why not support the same for Indigenous Europeans?

  6. 7 skinisirrelevant
    January 12, 2011 at 5:42 am

    ‘…across [the] globes [sic]….’

  7. 8 edit
    January 12, 2011 at 5:45 am

    ‘…across [the] globes [sic]….’

  8. 9 edit
    January 12, 2011 at 5:48 am

    why refer to yourselves as national anarchists? it’s an oxymoron.
    is it not a trogan horse for fascism, homophobia, sexism and racism?

  9. 10 skinisirrelevant
    January 15, 2011 at 11:14 am

    are you an indigenous european? if so, why not repatriate? i’ll give you viking longboat.
    darren is very much involved-and so is welf herfurth. if you don’t know who welf is, then look him up. he’s a big fan of the hyborean man-loving fascist julius evola, and he doesn’t mind going to blood ‘n’ honour gigs.
    back to ‘dazza’: darren and forty other national anarchists went to a protest in sydney a couple of years ago only to be told to f*** off by anarchists, feminists, socialists, greens, and unions. why? because national anarchism IS opposed to, for example, miscegenation.
    geneticist steve jones argues that race is a social construct. furthermore, the majority of europeans aren’t genetically pure given that current dna tests reveal that, for example, many ‘true’ anglo-saxons in great britain carry dna from the middle east and africa.
    back to more oxymoronic celebrities: n.a. musician troy southgate IS openly sexist and homophobic. i’m sure you’ve heard of him.
    i’m happy to provide evidence.

    • 11 tasna
      January 16, 2011 at 12:58 am

      Darren isn’t involved at all, as far as I know, and as far as the N-As I have asked know. Yes I know Welf and that is not how I’d describe him! Shouldn’t someone have a right to like whatever music or literature they want anyway? Would you prefer to dictate to us what we can and can’t read and listen too? Real Anarchic there!!!

      What’s wrong with opposing miscegenation anyway? Isn’t it someone’s own business what they oppose? I personally oppose it because it stands against true diversity. That doesn’t mean I’m out to stop anyone from doing what they want, as it seems you are!

      N-A stands for the rights of all communities, whether they be mixed or separatist.

      Much of the ‘science’ out there is a result of the globalist left’s domination of the universities, I wouldn’t take it seriously. See this article for a recent (mainstream) scientific development that seems to indicate the exact opposite:

      http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/nationalism-is-natrual/

      I am a female and have always been treated respectfully by Troy Southgate, so that rules sexism out. As for homophobia, I haven’t heard him speak a word about gays, but given that there are links on the National-Anarchist movement website, and most other N-A websites to a gay N-A group, then I doubt your claim has any standing.

      If you’re that concerned about racism, sexism and homophobia, why don’t you go after the mainstream political parties? Why on earth are you posting messages on a Tasmanian Anarchist website?

  10. 12 skinisirrelevant
    January 15, 2011 at 11:15 am

    ‘… give you [a] viking longboat.’

  11. 13 skinisirrelevant
    January 16, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    darrin hodges is involved. would you like to see some lovely photos of ‘dazza’?
    welf: an ex-NPD member, an ex-one nation party member, a lover of the sydney social forum, a get-together for right wingers, etc. and, like i said, he shows up to blood ‘n’ honour gigs organised by nazis who love to bash and murder people.
    so when geneticist dr. steve jones argues that there are only 10,000 genes that determine skin colour, its his ‘politics’ that get in the way of his scientific objectivity.
    likewise, i suggest you watch 100% english–the documentary about dna testing. among the people they test are maggie thatcher’s daughter, british nationalist, skinhead and anti-pc commentator garry bushell, and an elderly old money conservative. bushell’s and thatcher’s daughter’s results reveal they have dna from other continents. they both suprisingly accept the results. in contrast the dna results for the stiff-upper-lip gentleman strongly suggest that his dna is, in fact, 100% english. to his satisfastion he says his family rarely leaves the county.
    troy southgate: a former member of the extreme racist group national front, friends with bnp leader nick griffin, and an advocate of entryism, ie infiltration.
    it’s all pillow talk my dear:

    Do you support the traditional family unit and if so what are your views concerning Feminism, homosexuality and abortion?

    The most important thing for us is the Natural Order. It is natural for men and women to procreate. Anything which threatens the harmony of Nature must be opposed. Feminism is dangerous and unnatural not because it threatens to leave men with a pile of dirty washing-up and a few smelly nappies (as some of its adherents claim), but because it ignores the complimentary relationship between the sexes and encourages women to rebel against their inherent feminine instincts. Anyone interested in the opposing view should read The Female Woman by Arianna Stassinopoulos (Davis-Poynter, 1973) or Chapter 20 of Julius Evola’s Revolt Against the Modern World (Inner Traditions, 1995). Homosexuality is contrary to the Natural Order because sodomy is quite undeniably an unnatural act. Groups such as Outrage are not campaigning for love between males – which has always existed in a brotherly or fatherly form – but have created a vast cult which has led to a rise in cottaging, male-rape and child sex attacks. Nature is about life and health, not death and AIDS. One of the most eye-opening pamphlets produced on this issue is Alexander Baron’s truly excellent Guide to Gay Sex: A Primer For Young People (Infotext Manuscripts, 1994). But we are not trying to stop homosexuals engaging in this kind of activity like the Christian moralists or bigoted denizens of censorship are doing, on the contrary, as long as this behaviour does not affect the forthcoming National-Anarchist communities then we have no interest in what people get up to elsewhere. I just hope these people respect our own right to live in the way we choose. As far as abortion is concerned, this process violates the sanctity of life and once again the killing of an unborn child is flying in the face of Nature and one could do far worse than read Abortion: Yes Or No? by John L. Grady (Tan Books, 1979).

    -Troy Southgate, Alternative Green, 2001

    Let’s not forget that he was a staunch catholic. what will he be next?
    now i would like to mention youtube celebrity and spokesperson for bana andrew yeoman. yeoman argues that the folsom street fair, a sex-themed street party in san francisco for leather enthusiasts, is not only perverse but is also a danger to children. the same line is spun about sex shops by nazis. he says that they don’t have a proof of age check. if child abuse is occurring, then why haven’t the police shut it down and arrested the organisers for abusing minors? because yeoman’s full of sh***. furthermore, the photo of yeoman shaking hands with holocaust denialist paul fromm, serves as an embarrassing hinderance to opposing the occupation of palestine. why not shake hands with chomsky, finkelstein, members of j-street, or anti-zionist orthodox jews neturei karta?
    you do know that the word ‘anarchy’ means ‘without master’, don’t you? it’s little wonder that national anarchism is regarded as an oxymoron and a trogan horse. na’s use comtemporary anarcho aesthetics in order to recruit young and naive white people to support their bigoted and surreptitious agendas. it’s comparable to ‘cool’ christians who hijack subcultures such as punk, hip hop and metal.
    as for the wrongness of miscegenation never happening in your dream community, would you approve of mixing between, eg, the scotts and the irish? if so, why? if not, why not?
    concerning culture, i would still like to give you a viking longboat my odin-worshipping friend–i personally believe in the invisible spaghetti monster–and a viking helmet from chickenfeed. i was going to pack it with the following goods for your long journey back to europe: potatoes–they come from south america, pyjamas–they come from iran, and lamingtons–a jew made them.
    do you refer to mt wellington as kunyani? the term is barely known by many, many descendents of the first boat people, i.e. europeans.

    • 14 tasna
      January 17, 2011 at 12:18 am

      LOL I don’t think it’s up to you to tell me who is involved in a movement that you have no part in. Just because someone attended a protest with some other National-Anarchists 4 years ago, it doesn’t mean he is currently involved. To my knowledge Darren is involved in a political party, which rules out him being an Anarchist.

      It doesn’t matter what Welf used to be involved in, in the past, he is now a National-Anarchist and can attend whatever gigs he wants. Many of us may of attended gigs organised by Marxists, does that in any way associate us with Marxism? No. Same goes for any other gig.

      DNA testing is flawed and I have said before that I am not interested in this, so stop bringing it up. Also, what on earth does ‘skin colour’ have to do with anything?

      “it’s all pillow talk my dear:”
      You sexist pig! Hahaha you try to argue that N-A is sexist, providing no evidence, and then make comments like that. Hilarious.

      You haven’t answered any of my questions about what you are doing on a Tasmanian Anarchist website and why it is so wrong for some people to oppose miscegenation, but instead just brought up more of this reactionary crap.

      That quote from Troy even clearly states that we’re not doing anything to oppose homosexuals! As for women, do you instead think that the current materialistic system that forces empty careers and consumerism on women is somehow more pro-feminine than raising healthy and intelligent offspring?

      And you rely completely on the judgement of the police to shut down abusive situations? More and more you reveal your authoritarian nature! And who someone on the other side of the world shakes hands with is none of my business, or yours.

      I don’t see why N-A, even by your silly reasoning, is regarded as a Trojan horse and oxymoron. We are without masters. And as I said before, why would we bother being a trojan horse?! There is nothing secret or bigoted about our agenda, it is just as we say in the N-A M manifesto, here: http://www.national-anarchist.net/2010/09/introduction.html

      You have not answered any of my questions, and if you continue to post lies about us without even telling us why you are here, why exactly you oppose the formation of autonomous communities separate from the state, and why you oppose someone minding their own business and having a different opinion to you on miscegenation, then I will stop putting your silly comments up.

  12. 15 skinisirrelevant
    January 16, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    correction: two asterisks not three

  13. 16 Thom
    January 17, 2011 at 12:24 am

    “it’s all pillow talk my dear”

    That revoltingly sexist remark speaks volumes about the authoritarian nature of these so-called ‘antifa’ cultists. Their anti-state image is totally phoney, deep down they love nothing more than to boss other people round and tell them how to live.

  14. 17 Andreas
    January 17, 2011 at 5:26 am

    “it’s all pillow talk my dear”

    Ha ha, what a patronising sleazebag. And this dingbat wants to tell others how to live!


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